OMG! I just found this! LOL! Poor Powergilde. And Moonie so much for relastionships now. Ha, what you going to come up with next? It be funny if you did Optimus and Elita...with Arcee as their daughter.
Never happen. I don't see Arcee as the daughter of any canon bots. The only family Arcee is known to have is Rat Trap from Beast Wars (she's his great aunt). This does mean that she has a sibling or siblings who had offspring, who, in turn, had offspring.
If I were to do anything with Optimus and Elita, it would be their joining under the Covenant of Primus, and it wouldn't be for laughs.
i remember the discussions that got this banned. it started off as criticism but then (like so many things) turned into a witch hunt. i'll be honest, i wouldn't want to see this in a tf cartoon, but i can fav this for the funny storyline and beautiful art. i don't think that anything here should be classed as offensive. its a great story that i can relate too since i have three daughters and fear their future teenage years.
don't stop pushing boundaries. those are the stories that are remembered the longest so many mosaics are forgettable after 24 hours
I don't know, Tramp, I just don't see it. Basically because well all that bulky alt mode stuff gets in the way.
Now I don't know where in Canon you got that they are a Biological lifeform, they aren't even in Generation two the closest they got to having a Biological reproduction was Budding, which actually split one TF into two.
I think you get confused by forgetting that (at least in the Cartoon) Canon, the Genders were FORCED onto the Transformers by their Quint masters. (you'll also note that Decepticon females are VERY VERY Rare in any of the Mythology and while there are Autobot Females we've only seem a small core group of them Elita Chromia, Moonracer, Arcee, and a small handfull of others who's names I forget. So if there really is biological reproduction it's with a small subset of females, doesn't that seem out of balance to you? It sure does to me. I think you find the Idea intriguing because it's what you know, this is how my body works. This is logical, but it's only logical if the Female Population isn't outnumbered a billion to one, which in the case of "Canon" Transformers is the sad sad truth. There just aren't enough Females in either camp for sustained Biological reproduction.
Actually, Primus created them male and female long before the Quints enslaved them. At least one of the Original Thirteen was female. Gender was not forced upon them. Also, there are more than just a handful of females. All we see is but a small portion of the Cybertronian population, and those are pretty much all military personnel.
The ratio of males to females in a military is not going to be the same as in the general population of a planet. Thus, females are not nearly as rare as you think and aren't even treated as rare or anything out of the ordinary, not in most continuities, it isn't a matter of what "camp" they're in. Females are not anything "special". Most females (and males for that matter) are civilians, not part of either faction. We only see the military personnel though because that is who the focus of the story is on. If females were truly rare, then Transformers wouldn't be forming monogamous pairings between male and female, they wouldn't marry, as is certainly the case with a number of couples (Deathsaurus and Esmeryl, and Cybertron Downshift and his wife for example). You'd instead have a single Queen with many males servicing her, and females would certainly not be fighting. They'd be too precious. Overall though, there are well over 120+ females shown on screen (in print, or as a toy) in the canon in the various continuities, not including generic background characters. Thus, the "small subset" is only among the military populations—not the general populous— and that's typical of most militaries.
Secondly, all life is "biological", though not necessarily organic. "Biological" simply means, "of or pertaining to biology." Biology means life (and the study thereof), in all its myriad forms and phenomena. Thus, all life is biological. Not all life is necessarily carbon-based organic though.
Third, remember that Transformers aren't like Earth robots created by our current level of technology. Their bodies are made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells with a DNA analog, with genetic code. This certainly allows them to reproduce through cellular replication (which covers both Asexual and sexual reproduction). In Marvel, the Transformers were asexual, and reproduced through an asexual process (budding). There were no females in that continuity, like there are in virtually every other one. And, if even the one continuity where they are sexless, they could reproduce, it stands to reason that they can reproduce in the continuities were they are male and female. This time sexually as opposed to asexually.
As for canon evidence of it, aside from the afore mentioned marriages and romances, there's also the Transformer families, the children with mothers and fathers. These include Wheelie, whose mother and father were killed in the crash that left him stranded on Quintessa (The Story of Wheelie, the Wild by of Quintesson), The Lithonian families (86 movie), The many, many small children of the Decepticons (Victory #10 manga), and Stampy's mother and father (Beast Wars Neo manga.
As for the bulky alt mode stuff getting in the way, that depends upon what the external parts of the reproductive systems look like, namely the male interface unit, which on a Cybertronain would more likely be some form of cable or line with a valved jack on the end to jack into the female port rather than a human style phallus.
Yes, I did, sort of. more accurately, it's an essay and anatomical diagram of Cybertronan internal anatomy and biology, and how real world science and biological laws apply. It's titled Mechanobiology 101 and can be found in my gallery.
I don't see why or how you've acumulated so many haters from this, personally I love your work, and the relationships you portray between a mech and a femme is a welcome change from the majority of slash that you see nowadays
Because a lot of fans have it in their heads that Transformers can't be literally male and female, that they can't reproduce and have children, that they have to be built because they're robots, that they can't or shouldn't follow the same laws of biology as any other form of life because they're robots or aliens, that being "male and female" has to mean something completely different for them.
I hear ya...different people have different interpretations, not sure which one I'm really sold on yet, I like the whole "mech-meets-femme" aproach because of the romantic possibilities, but as I said, I'm not entirely sure...
Well, they are living organisms, they are made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells containing a DNA analog (CNA), and they're male and female. They're also been shown to fall in love, marry, and even have children, as evidenced in Victory #10 among other sources. There's no logical reason why they can't. The simplest answer to the question, "Why would they be male or female?" is why is any life form male or female. Why would any species of life have genders? The same reason.
While I'm among those who doesn't like the idea of TFs having human-style sex with everything merely renamed, this is hilarious. I wish people would take things like this less personally and just enjoy.
Thanks. I prefer this theory because it follows the actual scientific laws of biology and it fits with the fact that they're fully living organisms made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells with a form of DNA analog. Most other ideas are still based on the misconception that "because they're 'robots', they have to be built", which is countered by both canon and by actual scientific theory on nanotechnology.
Most people who don't like the idea do so for either that reason or for the "icky" factor.
How is it a "law of biology" when not all organisms in our backyards reproduce the same way? Why does a little uncertainty about how it works for them have to mean that it works exactly the way it does for us but with a thing or two renamed?
Rather than make a long speech, I'll leave you with just one thing to consider:
All life reproduces in one of two ways, Asexually (from a single parent organisms) or sexually (from two parent organisms). Asexual reproduction takes many forms: Mitosis, budding, parthenogenesis, spores, etc.
Sexual reproduction also takes many forms: pollination, copulation, external fertilization, etc. However, it is still fundamentally reproduction through the union of gametes. Two cells, each containing half of the genetic material from one parent, combines to form a single zygote containing a full compliment of genes made up of a mix of both parents' DNA, which then grows into a new organism. As I said, this can take many forms. the parents can copulate with the male fertilizing the female internally, and the female then either laying eggs or gestating the offspring within a "womb". It can involve external fertilization where the male and female release their sperm and eggs into a medium (such as water) where fertilization takes place and the eggs develop. It can involve pollination, where the stamen releases pollen into the air (or onto a host) which then transfers the pollen to a pistil on another (or the same) flower thus fertilizing the ovum, producing seeds and some form of "fruit" (not necessarily edible) to contain them.
It doesn't matter the exact details, fundamentally, these processes still fall into one of two categories, asexual reproduction, or sexual reproduction. All life reproduces in one of these two ways.
As for the clip from Animated do you really know for certain what Sari said? Also consider her age. Do you really think she actually knows about the "birds and the bees"? For all we know she could have said "The stork brings them", or some such. And even if she does know that the baby comes out of the mother's belly, She certainly didn't go into any great detail into the finer points of human reproduction and pregnancy. So, even if Transformers' birth is different (possibly from egg-pods), that doesn't preclude mating in some form. So, no, it doesn't have to work "exactly" the way it does in humans. However, given their physiologies, and the examples I have provided which give us glimpses of their anatomies, it does suggest that their mating and gestation processes would be similar at least in most continuities.
The thing is, according to the data to the right, this strip predates my joining here....and I contribute to TF:M every once in a while, so the "former Mosaic" phrase confused me a bit. Didn't know something can stop being a Mosaic.